Abstract Mathematology (UH, IS MATH REAL?) with Dr. Eugenia Cheng

Math wants to be friends. Let mathematician, author and Abstract Mathematologist Dr. Eugenia Cheng introduce you to a secret world: the artsy and emotional side of math. Dr. Cheng helps answer the age-old and (recently viral) question, “IS MATH REAL?” We chat about Fibonacci sequences, golden ratios, common core, loving thy neighbor, slide rules vs. calculators, imaginary numbers, the nature of zero, infinite cookies, and more. Turns out that math can change your relationships and permeate your every thought.. if you let it. Also: wtf, Barbie?

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Visit Dr. Eugenia Cheng’s website and follow her on Twitter

Browse Dr. Cheng’s books including Is Math Real?: How Simple Questions Lead Us to Mathematics' Deepest Truths (2023), The Joy of Abstraction: An Exploration of Math, Category Theory, and Life (2022), and How to Bake Pi: An Edible Exploration of the Mathematics of Mathematics (2016)

A donation went to Math Circles of Chicago


Links to things we discussed:

Very long marathons are very long

Anthropometric Comparison of World-Class Sprinters and Normal Populations

The math TikTok that started it all 

Eugenia’s response to that viral TikTok

Barbie Liberation Organization press video, 1993

Mathematical Treasure: Teen Talk Barbie

Mattel Says It Erred; Teen Talk Barbie Turns Silent on Math

"OPERATION NEWSPEAK” The Barbie / G.I. Joe Voice Swap of Xmas 1993

Barbie Fucks It Up Again: 2014 Computer Engineering Book

How Imgur saved Feminist Hacker Barbie behind the scenes

Feminist Hacker Barbie meme generator 

Kathleen Tuite: The woman behind the Feminist Hacker Barbie meme generator

Monad Barbie Comic

The Map of Mathematics

An Evaluation of the Left-Brain vs. Right-Brain Hypothesis with Resting State Functional Connectivity Magnetic Resonance Imaging

History of Base 10

History of Bases Used in Ancient Civilizations

Yes, Men Run Faster Than Women, but Over Shorter Distances and Not by Much

Monad (category theory)

Emotions and motivation in mathematics education: Where we are today and where we need to go

When Do Girls Prefer Football to Fashion? An analysis of female underachievement in relation to “realistic” mathematic contexts

Terraform Industries

The TikTok Algorithm Knew My Sexuality Better Than I Did

Gradeless Learning: The Effect of Eliminating Traditional Grading Practices on Student Engagement and Learning 


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