Why does clutter happen? How can we get rid of it and how will it affect us psychologically if we do? Buckle up for an encore that will lift your spirits and quite possibly change your life. We all have unfolded piles of laundry, that closet we don’t want to open, a tornado of papers on our desk that seems impossible to sort through. Enter: Oikology, the science of keeping things contained. Alie hunted down world-famous professional organizers, Jamie & Filip Hord of Horderly to chat about -- FIRST OFF-- their name, plus gender and messes, when to call in a pro to help, the step-by-step process to tackle the entropy in your home and life, what do do about gifts you don’t want, what tools you might need, the KonMari method, how to overcome the emotional attachment to objects, and why decluttering becomes addictive. We also called in the big guns, research psychologist Dr. Joe Ferrari of DePaul university, to share his research on clutter, its psychological causes and effects, if the “spark joy” method works for everyone, when to call a professional organizer and how many pants is too many pants. Also: dispatches from my own front lines. This episode already changed my own life… and closet.

Listen via Apple, Spotify, Podbay, Podcast Addict, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Visit Jamie and Filip Hord’s website and follow them on Instagram, X. and YouTube

Listen to Dr. Ferrari in the Volitional Psychology (PROCRASTINATION) episode and check out his book: Still Procrastinating?

A donation went to Dress for Success and the Institute for Challenging Disorganization

Links to things we discussed:

History of “knolling”

Knoll furniture

Horderly in the New York Times

DSM-5 symptoms of Hoarding Disorder (HD)

Medication used to treat HD

The Brother labelmaker

DYMO vintage labelmaker